John Fischer

Day of death: 08/12/2021

Location: California

Hospital: Kaiser Permanente Ontario, CA

Allowed to see family or patient advocate?: no

Asked to sign DNR: idr

Asked if vaccinated: yes

Was the victim treated differently as a result of disclosing their vax status?: yes

How victim was treated differently after disclosing vax status:

John told me he felt he was being ignored and was a nuisance when they had to help him.

John texted me and said, you got to get me out of here!

Name of Victim: John Fischer

Age: 76 years old

Date of onset of symptoms: 07/20/2021

First sought medical attention: 07/22/2021

Admitted to hospital: 07/27/2021

Treatment received at hospital: Treated poorly

Experience in hospital:

He was not made comfortable. The doctor would not even allow cotton in his ears to help with the maddening noise of the machines. He called me telling me he was being tortured. The nurses did not always make sure his oxygen saturation was stable when they moved him, causing erratic jumps including dangerously low dips in oxygen.

Medications given: Remdesivir, antibiotics, anxiety meds, blood thinner, blood pressure meds, diuretic, lasix, pain killers, precedex, sedatives, Steroids

How long was the victim on remdesivir?: 9 days

Was the victim informed about remdesivir's EUA status?: no

Informed of RMV side effects?: no

Was there consent for the use of remdesivir?: no

Date victim was placed on a ventilator: 08/02/2021

Days on a ventilator: : 11 days

Person being interviewed: Pamela Fischer

Relationship To Victim: Wife

Pursuing legal action?: no

Engaging in activism: no

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The Interview with Pamela Fischer
Written by Pamela Fischer(Wife)

On Thursday, July 22, 2021

This was 2 days after John’s symptoms had started and were now beyond being tired, he wrote an email to his doctor, DR. LES I LEE LIU, MD, informing him of his symptoms and asking advice on how and where to get tested, and requesting an appointment. Prior to this, Dr. Liu had always responded fairly quickly, in the same day.   There was no response, which was totally out of the norm when had emailed his doctor in the past.  John wrote another email Friday morning (July 23rd). By this time, John was experiencing even more of a foggy state of mind and a little confused on time and days. He was dizzy, light headed, still experienced body aches, and now started having a cough and was very sleepy.  Again, there was no response.  Now we were into the weekend (July 24-25).  John’s energy level was decreasing through the weekend and the symptoms progressed.  I was also very sick so we were both sleeping, drinking water and lethargic.

Monday morning July 26, 2021, there was still no communication from the doctor. I went onto to John’s Kaiser account and the emails read “unviewed”.  I called the Kaiser appointment center and was told we could not make an appointment with anyone. There was nothing she could do because we had contacted John’s primary doctor. She said the doctor had until Tuesday night to answer the email… 6 full days! She could not schedule him to be seen by anyone else or speak to anyone else.   We were appalled!

Tuesday morning, July 27, 2021,

John had no energy! He was really foggy, his breathing was shallow and he was sleeping a lot!  We still had not heard from the doctor!  I called the Kaiser appointment center again and again was told the doctor actually had until Tuesday night!!!  I said NO, I want help right now!! He said he would put me through to speak to an online nurse.  He put me through and I got a recording that said  I could wait on the phone or leave my number for a call back and that the call back time was approximately 2 hours and 53 minutes-3 hours!!!!  We waited 3 ½ hours for the callback, the nurse asked some questions and told us to get him to emergency right away! I called my daughter, who also had Covid but not to the extreme as us and she drove us to Emergency.  They checked his oxygen and immediately took him from us and checked him in… we could not go with him.  We waited in our car until they got him settled and headed to a regular room.  Dr. Liu had been Mr. Fischer’s doctor for quite a while and John trusted him but Dr. Liu played a major role in the murder of my husband with his negligence and mal practice!

On Wednesday morning, July 28th,  

I called at 8:00 a.m. and the doctor was not available,  I could only speak to a nurse.  Nobody ever called me after getting him in the room, the night before, to tell me about his situation or condition.  The nurse told me he was in  the Step Down Unit  room 222. The nurse also said John’s heart and organs are strong but his lungs need time to heal. He is positive for Covid and has Covid pneumonia. They had John on an antibiotic, a steroid, Remdesivir, and hi flo oxygen.  All I could think of was “why was I not called before they started all of this?”  I called again at noon and the doctor was able to speak with me but I did not get his name. . I was told John was not thinking right, he was anxious and struggling.  I told the doctor I did not want him on Remdesivir and I asked about Hydroxychlorquine and Ivermectin.  The doctor snapped at me and said “those two drugs would kill him!” Again, I told him I didn’t want him on Remdesivir. The doctor refused to take him off of it and said he would only be on it for 5 days because THE BODY COULD ONLY HAVE IT FOR 5 DAYS.  I spoke with the nurse afterwards and he said John wanted his phone charger so he could continue to communicate with me.  I went to the hospital Wednesday at about 6:00 pm, and wore a mask.  I saw John through the door and saw the fear in his eyes. I was not allowed in so I called from the other side of the glass door. The machines inside were so loud, I was having to talk loud from outside his room.

As a side note:

1.The nurses were stationed right outside John’s room, on their phones.

  1. There was no patient in any room I passed.
  2. One nurse was sitting back scrolling her phone and the other was staring at me. I could see her in the reflection of the glass.
  3. I went to a third nurse and asked if they could put cotton or something in his ears to mute the obnoxious, torturous volume of the machines. I informed her John was sensitive to loud noise. She said she would go ask the charge nurse. I followed her down the hallway and she went into a door to check.
  4. The nurse that had been staring at me came down and nastily said “you need to leave!” I told her I was waiting for the nurse to check on my request and she told me “ we don’t like family hanging out”. I told her that there was nothing in place saying I had to leave and that “hanging out” was the last thing I was doing and this was not the place I would choose to “hang out” and that I would be waiting right there until the nurse came back with information for me.
  5. The nurse came out and said that the charge nurse would call me later because they were doing a shift change. I NEVER RECEIVED A CALL.

That night John called me and told me “they are torturing me”.

When I called Thursday morning, July 29, 2021 for an update, the doctor was again unavailable and never called me back as I requested.  I was also told that the hospital was not allowing any visitors at all.  “If you are not dying, you are not coming in”.  Wow…  the day before, it was quiet!   I called and spoke with John. He was struggling to breathe and was trying to talk which made it worse. He said it was torture in there!  I again asked the nurse to put cotton or something on or in his ears to block the torturous loud noise and volume of the machines.  They did.

When I called on Friday they told me it would be best to only communicate with John once or twice a day.  They said he was still not receiving enough oxygen but that everything was still the same. I spoke with John and he struggled to tell me, again, that it was torture and he wanted to get out.  I asked about the cotton in his ears and the nurse told me that the doctor said to take it out! WHAT? WHY, WAS MY QUESTION… I received no answer!

10 pm- they put John on the BiPAP mask to better help the oxygen level.

The (Hi flo) Cannula machine was @ 100%

-John’s oxygen saturation dipped to 70%

-The test on his blood came back with low oxygen which is why they put him on BiPAP

On Saturday, July 31, 2021,

The nurse said it was the same as yesterday even with the BiPAP. John kept trying to text me and would exhaust himself when I called. The nurse asked for me to back off texting or calling to see if they could get him under control.

On Sunday, Aug. 1, 2021

9:45 pm:

-They added Precidex to the medications.  I know there were other medication they were adding since he arrived but they would not take the time to give me the names.

– John had pulled the IV out and afterwards I got a call from the doctor because they were considering life support. He said “He is suffering and to do nothing will begin to take a toll on his organs”.  To say I was in shock is an under statement.  This just made no sense.  I was not accepting it and I said so.

Monday morning, Aug 2nd,

I received a call from a Dr. Truong stating John was in ICU:

-They want to put him on life support. He would be in an induced coma for comfortability with lines for monitors and meds.  The muscles would be paralyzed so they don’t react adversely to the air going in.

“He is very sick”  “Waiting any longer for life support, his heart could stop. It is beating very fast! Life support is his only chance.

-Placing him on life support before it is an emergency situation is better for him.

-They will flip him to his stomach to take the pressure off the back and lungs.”

-He could die immediately, during the procedure of placing him on life support.

-He could die in a couple days or weeks while on life support.

-It could get better or not being on life support.

-Leave him without it and he probably won’t make it.

-Recovery is 20%-30% once they are this bad…. Few make it

I was told to talk it over with family and make a decision by later that day.

A female doctor (I can’t remember her name) called within 30 minutes. So much for talking with family. She asked what are your concerns about putting him on life support and I told her I was afraid he would die on life support. She told me “I just can’t watch him suffer. It is like a fish out of water gasping for air”. Then she said not being on life support could kill him and waiting could be really dangerous. I felt like she was the closer on a “big deal” but this was my husband and they were saying he would probably die without it.

2:45 pm

-Everything is done (intubating) and it looks good.

-His numbers are good.

-don’t need to paralyze the muscles at this time

-This will be a tough, long and hard journey for him

-She is going to give him PLASMA with antibodies

3:30 pm-

John is not in distress. He is on additional meds for pain, anti anxiety, a sedative, blood pressure meds…… He is absorbing full 100% oxygen because of the machine

10:15 pm-

-John is still deeply sedated. Blood pressure is still up.

-Down to 70% on the machine and receiving is 98%

-Heartbeat is fast due to meds…


Tuesday morning, Aug 3rd

I was told by the doctor that John was back on Remdesivir for 10 days!  I told him that the initial doctor in the step down unit said the BODY CAN ONLY BE ON IT FOR 5 DAYS and John already had it for 5 days.  The doctor’s response was disturbing “in ICU we can watch the patient better than they can in the other unit”  This was such a lie!  He said they also had him on another Covid medication,  which in the beginning I was told that only Remdesivir could help Covid pneumonia.  The additional medication started with an A, I believe.

Wednesday , August 4th,

At 12:05 a.m. on Weds (morning), the nurses said he was looking really good and stable and was only receiving 40% from the machine.

At 4:00 a.m. the doctor made and adjustment on the machine to 60%.  Why?

At 6:00 p.m. fever spiked but it came back down with ice packs.

Thursday morning Aug 5th,

They said his lung ruptured and collapsed. they inserted a tube and they had him back at 100%, maximum support again.  At noon, they sedating him and paralyzed his muscles “to help rest his body”.  This continued through Thursday with different small changes but no fever.

3:30 pm

Dr. Shaw started setting the stage for what was to come and said there was a little kidney damage and that the day before it was normal.  This doctor had a negative view and delivery.  I requested NO NEGATIVE talk in John’s room.  He also said that they were finishing the Remdesivir.  Again, RED FLAGS!

– The first doctor on day 1 said the body could only have it for 5 days.

– When John went into ICU with intubation, the new doctor said he was putting him on it again for 10 days

– THIS WOULD BE DAY 4 OF THE SECOND ROUND OF REMDESIVIR. My take is, John has a little kidney failure and they are stopping it.

Friday Aug 6, 2021

The nurse that said they added a 3rd tube…. when did they add the 2nd tube?

Saturday morning Aug 7th

Dr. Shaw was still the doctor and he said they were waiting for the tubes to get all the air out, the kidneys were better, John was still paralyzed and he was done with Remdesivir

Sunday morning Aug 8th,

Dr Shaw said John was more or less the same, potassium was a little high and the kidney was the same.  They repositioned one tube and John’s saturation was at 98% while the machine was at 90%

A nurse Angel educated me on how crucial it was for the nurse to wait and stay in the room after turning John because his saturation sometimes dropped dramatically and even an inch made a big difference.


Monday Aug 9, 2021,

Dr. Shaw was still on… the machine was down to 85% and John’s saturation was 90%. They were now giving him lasix for water retention. This is the first mention of water retention and NOW, after reading that Remdesivir causes renal failure and causes the body to drown in it’s own fluids… I am broken! …. along with the kidney which Dr. Shaw said is back and forth and was a little worse today than yesterday.  The tubes are better today and everything else is more or less the same.

I refer to Dr. Nguyen and the team that came on with him as the death squad.  Communication, beginning with the 7:00p.m. nurses, got really weird.  I felt like the nurses were absolutely unqualified and just there.  My communication with all the nurses previously had been consistent, informative, forthcoming (as far as I knew), and they sounded like they knew what they were talking about. This group was secretive, asking me a question as an answer to my question.


Tuesday morning, Aug 10, 2021

10:45 am– Nguyen said:

-John is at 85% oxygen machine and his saturation is 92%

-He still has a small hemo thorax

-BP is up a little

-he is on 2 meds for sedation

-John has had everything they can give for Covid but still on meds for blood clotting I had never heard a single mention of this before.

At 10:45 p.m., I called for my usual night time update. John had been pretty consistent for 3-4 days.

When I asked for an update, nurse Timothy’s answer was “What did they tell you this morning?” (He was not nasty but it was as if he didn’t know or was told to not to be forthcoming with information). After we worked through that he said,

-John’s fever has spiked to 100.4 – he has a cooling blanket

-they will check cultures for the reason… it could take days for the results…. Really?

-he is on low dose BP med

-heart rate-pretty good but may be a little elevated … (either it is or isn’t)

-saturation is 91% machine is at 100% and it said it could be from moving him….moving him is one thing but why is he back at 100% on the machine and when?…. he didn’t know!

-he is putting out urine and the kidney function is pretty good


Aug 11, 2021 Wednesday morning,:

11:15 am- Dr. Nguyen said

-the pneumo thorax is a little bigger (not healing)

-they are considering a 4th tube

-kidneys are OK

-fever during a hospital stay is NORMAL… he is on 2 anti biotics now

-cultures so far are good

-They don’t give PLASMA after 10 days!!!!  (I was promised plasma on day 2.  They said they were out, then they said  they had some and he was going to receive it. Then they said they were still waiting.  This was the run around I got before he went into ICU. On the day he went into ICU, the nurse said they were going to give him Plasma with antibodies)

-they have the machine back to 100%

-Covid is not the problem anymore, it has done it’s damage… it is the hole that is the problem.

-Dr. Nguyen said John is very very sick and talked about him dying. He asked if we had a DNR signed (why has the narrative changed, his condition changed after the jump on the machine). I told him we did not have one.

-they don’t know if another chest tube will help.



August 12, 2021, I called for my usual late night update at 12:15 a.m.  I could not speak with John’s nurse because “they are working on him”.






When talking to the nurses they had no info….they seemed like they did not know anything…. Did they turn him and leave him?! ….not checking to make sure they got him stable when it dropped?????

They told me his was gone when we were leaving the driveway!

The minute before he died we could NOT be in the hospital BUT the minute after, it was “come on in “ time!!!

When we arrived at the hospital, John was still fairly warm. It was clear he was so so so full of fluids! There was rarely mention of this. Only once or twice did they say they were giving him Lasix for fluid retention and it was due to meds…. Yes, it sure was, Remedesivir!

After we lost him, I did research on Remdesivir and  listened to many experts speak about the fact that it was a poison to the human body and would cause the body to drown in it’s own body fluids!

Yet, on the first day, when I inquired about using Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, the doctor snapped at me and told me those would kill him!


Look what they did!!

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